15 Saturday Home, 2005, p. 20 16Vindicated1, 2005, p. 1-2, Acknowledgements Their powerlessness in this matter soon became clear when Moorepark was deliberately targeted as a dumping ground for Glasgows homeless, those on low incomes, and people with few housing points who were enabled to jump the waiting list if they accepted a house in the scheme. I went undercover on the 'Wine Alley' to tackle drug problem Ex-undercover police officer Simon McLean has written about his experience tackling Glasgow's drug problem during the 80s. we were easy pleased in those days. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. The county added to the description of these lands, the phrase: "but now by annexation in the County of Renfrew. I remember our next door neigbours on the ground floor the Meechans and particularly John,who was around the same age as myself. I went to Hills Trust primary and can remember having to sit my 11 plus exam and passed by the skin of my teeth (lots of mental arithmetic). Lots of other good memories but also remember the terrible fires which took place. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! Portrait of a Lady by Esme Clark. They were followed there and back by a second surveillance team and the vehicle stopped near Ibrox. I screamed blue murder, he wanted to pull my pants down, but no way I letting him do that to me. At the time this article was written in the local Southside paper, prices for the projected apartments were going up dramatically among the speculators.14 A few hundred yards east of this development, one-bedroom apartments at the newly built QE3 (Clydeside Festival Park) in Govan were selling for 129,995 while two-bedrooms at the same place will cost you 199,995. I was shown the door and advised to join the cubs, which I did, but I would have enjoyed being the 1st Lifebhoy. Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. Many of the latter were too poor, ignorant and disorganised to remedy the situation themselves, and so the earliest community planners or social agencies necessarily undertook the first initiatives for planning and providing for people. Canmore ID 315779. Not Now. I look forward to reading further. 3 I was born In Cowie Street, Kinning Park and as Pauline noted earlier there was indeed a pub on it's corner called Grants Bar. She had two brothers James (b.1924), Michael (b.1928) Agnes (b.1930) and Kathleen (b.1932). The above digital stories were made by members of Govan Reminiscence Group for the Heritage Lottery funded Britain From Above Community Project in Govan, Glasgow, during Spring 2014. He had a kilt on and a curly walking stick. I went to Harmony Row school then Hills Trust school, then to Govan High school. Synopsis Click on the Bus route to see step by step directions with maps, line arrival times and updated time schedules. Local people were also too scared to speak out for fear of reprisals. The faults were caused mainly by a lack of insulation and waterproofing at the joints in the concrete panels, which made up the structure. Brian McQuade, Reflection on Housing But then officers were based in a more forbidding Victorian building about a mile away in Orkney Street. [17][18], A prominent feature of the Govan landscape was the Doomster or Moot Hill, which stood near the river, north of the present Govan Cross. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley (Image: Newsquest) Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. sau. Much later, after years of drink and drugs abuse, I thought about all the time I had wasted and I realised that if I was going to seriously change my life than I had to reeducate myself into a new way of thinking First, this fosters connectedness seen in social capital and enhanced trust in government and in fellow citizens. C/o Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND AGENT Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND WARD NO (S) 52, Govan COMMUNITY COUNCIL 02_073, Govan CONSERVATION AREA LISTED ADVERTTYPE Bad Neighbour Development PUBLISHED 24 October 2003 SITE AND DESCRIPTION We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. My Granny lived at 60 Greenfield Street next to Mrs Knox's wee shop. I remember the days my sister and I would take part in the fair while we were in a dancing school, which was named Thompsons. Did the papers for Maggie Slimmins and the milk for the coop this paid for my first real bike from Andy McNeil's, before that I had a clenny model. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . Yup I'll always be from Govan even though we lived a bus ride with the messages away from it in Shieldhall, that was situated near to the 50 pitches, I remember well my Dad and me watching the shipyards football competitions. Thanks in advance :). On the other hand, a government that takes no heed of the community at large fails also. Pagini similare. It was a Magical childhood play area, the closestairs were a Pirate Ship; Hospital; Wee Shop; School, aye in the 1950's we used our imagination rather than computers to stop us being bored! I used to visit your Mum and Dad. It is now an industrial estate . I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. Added to these miseries, Damer also found that drug There were two other sporting venues for local residents and workers located in the south of Govan (with no space available in the industrial northern area at the Clyde): White City Stadium and Albion Greyhound Stadium, both now entirely demolished. It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. They suggested that the hill may have been a 12th-century Norman motte. Best people you could meet. And Linda Paterson, I knew your dad Geordie Paterson, and I think he had a brother Willie. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. He and his pals jumped out and I ran back up three stories screaming. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. We left Govan when I was two, then lived for five years in Markinch before moving on to Kelty, Cowdenbeath, Armadale, and Rushden down in England. Hullo! My da was George Paterson, mum was Betty Paterson my child hood there was brill everyone was so friendly and you could trust everybody. Govan (/vn/ GUV-n; Cumbric? Govan's earliest recorded name may be found in the Historia regum Anglorum attributed to Symeon of Durham. The church, situated at the west end of the village of Govan, and about 100 yards from the Clyde, was built in 1826, and is a plain structure containing 1096 sittings: the . I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. Classification Housing Estate (Modern) Alternative Name (s) Moorpark Housing Estate; 'wine Alley'. Gary Faulds. However, given the area's reputation there was also a large numbers of empty houses. It was absolutely awesome growing up in Govan, lots of shops, such as; Galbraiths, Dands Bobby's, David's butchers, BrotherSoft paper shop, modern book shop, and Woolworths, we had a great wee doctors surgery on Langlands Road, Peacocks bakery, Nicholls store and Amey's cafe. The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! I used to know a Maureen Murray who lived about there she would be about 72 now. Both my parents went to Greenfield School then Govan High. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. Glasgow Braendam Link, aims to support, empower and enable all those involved in the partnership to gain more control of their lives by encouraging self-belief, growth and development. And I went to see Grease at The Liceum on Govan Road. So, has Glasgow and other cities always been in the hands of comprehensive planners who take an overview of all the parties involved? The Bookies, Archie and Peter Logan ran their Book from the back court. It is in this context that he placed the above paragraph at the very forefront of his book From Moorepark to Wine Alley, The rise and fall of a Glasgow housing scheme, and it is also for the same reasons that this section of the Braendam Link Report investigates housing (especially in Glasgow), its problems, and how they could be solved by community planning. He also procured a contract with the Royal Navy to produce vessels, notably the Jackal, the Lizard, and the Bloodhound. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard The most famous of these housing estates is Moorepark, sometimes referred to jocularly as "The Wine Alley"[22] - this area was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in Britain, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. My parents lived at 49 Nethan Street and I was born at the Southern General in 1939. The planning process commonly involves the juggling of conflicting interests in such a fashion that it is agreeable to all interested parties at least, no one side has to sacrifice itself unjustly. Maureen Doyle was my name then. Memories of our workers are Nancy, Margret-Anne and various others, oh and not forgetting Speedy. I didn't open my mouth, I was sure I was going to jail. Houses are places to live in, either for one person or several. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. My great grandfather lived at 67 Garmouth Street with his 3 daughters. There is absolutely no hiding from the fact that no Section 30 is the bullying action of a . Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? Finalists in the Intermediate Cup 1929-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moorepark,_Glasgow&oldid=1142353497, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:16. I really like the big Co-op department store and Woolworths on Langlands Road. Life in wine alley I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. When they checked the mileage they realise it was being used for much longer trips of up to 600 miles a time. Govan Church was rebuilt in 1762, and again in 1826. Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. 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Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. British Shipbuilders road to privatisation was not as swift, and the group was sold piece by piece throughout the course of the 1980s. In 1841, Robert Napier began iron shipbuilding in Govan, and in 1843 produced its first ship, the Vanguard. [23], It was parodied by the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt. There existed a hospital in the area, and as quasi-religious foundations were not taxed, it had never been assigned to a sheriffdom. I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. Does anyone remember my dad Iain Campbell and mother Margaret Marshall born 1921 and 1922? It goes on to say that although bad housing design, and the allowance of dilapidation has been part of the problem, still housing is not the whole answer. This present attitude towards housing has serious implications for the future. My maternal grandmother Mary Agnes McDermott and her family came to Govan from Ireland in the early 1900's. By the early 80s, much of the place had acquired an air of dilapidation and neglect. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. Without a home, mankind has no place. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. 100m D.C Hair&Beauty . If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Our children and grandchildren have been back many times as well. Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. This is a 12th-century Latin source, but one believed to be based on much earlier materials; it records a place near Dumbarton Rock named Ouania. [1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. Finally, Darners last thoughts on a solution to Mooreparks spiralling problems were that it could be found in Community Planning. Get into Govan. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. I was born 23 Elder Street, Govan in 1943. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. Went back to show someone the building, but it was gone. We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. I found this site by mistake while i was trying to find people that i used to hang around with in Govan, I lived in Rathlin Street, opposite the Elder picture house, my mum and dad were Mary and Eddie Mellon and brothers Paul and Ward. [34], Alexander Stephen and Sons also established a shipyard in nearby Linthouse in 1870. Lots of memories too many to say here. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. I lived in Elderpark Street and the Wine Alley. My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. You never forget these things, but what great days and what character building it was. Wine Quality 4/4. Pipe Band. For those who did move in, it was not a matter of them wanting to live in the area, it was more a case of people with little or no choice about where they could stay. 7 Markus, 1993, p. 163 During the late 19th century, the population of Govan increased more than tenfold: from 9,000 in 1864 to 95,000 by 1907. The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. It was just before I packed in this job that I met Sean Damer when he came to our house to some of the family in 1974. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! Our first daughter was born in 1962, and then when she was six months old, we went to Toronto, Canada. Community service. The authors would like to thank Glasgow Braendam Link, The Faith in Community (Scotland) Transformation Team, Oxfams UK Poverty Programme, and the Poverty Alliance for suggesting the idea of this project for the worlds Poverty Day on October 17th 2005. 14). I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. 99m New Cafe India Govan . Business . My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. The yard eventually closed in the wake of the collapse of the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders consortium in 1971.[35]. Just answering Margaret Fletcher's post below. Komunitn organizcia. I then went to Govan High, teachers I remember and not with any fondness are Jockey Rayburn (Maths) Duncan (English) and Miss Downny (Maths) who was a lovely teacher, I had two brother George and Stuart who also went to the same primary and also went to Govan High. Another trick was to get a queue lined up outside his house but to serve only half of them and tell the others to come back later. I married in Glasgow, Scotland in 1974 and emigrated to Canada that same year, I have lived in Canada ever since. History [ edit] I loved going to the Steamie with my Mum and her friends. Nobody like them in the World. MATT McGINN (1928-1977) A for a Pub Hoose Licence. Govan Old Parish Church was rebuilt in 1762, 1826, and again 1884-1888. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing ball against the red brick wall for hours. For (as he says) members of the so-called underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances, and that by becoming involved in social, political and economical activities, the community of any area can organise themselves in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power, is real.1 The partnership works by: My gran was Ella Campbell who lived in Greenfield Street during the 50s and 60 s. I almost joined Majorettes but I had no coordination so no chance of being Govan Queen either that year. Every Christmas I was given a big pile of unsold comics and one day the woman gave me a bob - 12 big penny coins that filled my hand. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends. 5 When they married on the 29/4/1939 they moved to Hillington. Linthouse and Parkgrove were 19th century senior sides, who fell into decline and are now defunct. [4] In 1864, Govan gained burgh status, and was the fifth-largest burgh in Scotland. We loved it there and had best times growing up in Govan, a great wee community and a great bunch of people, neighbours were great and we had lots of great friends to play with. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. As a result, it proved very simple for them to track the gang movements on a day-to-day basis. Used to have a friend called Theresa Moody who died quite young. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie St until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection.
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